Cycling Tips: More Cyclist Rants In The Media…
MTBSkillsCoach - Pat
· 2 months ago
On the money. Perhaps Wendy Hargraves may take the opportunity to share with Magda&Julia. I can see a future of Friday morning rides coming up for those who have repented their sins!
Grace Australia
· 2 months ago
I spent a some time last night on the channel 10 forum and the general consensus from the public was that it was a 'joke' and we ought to have a sense of humour... however I fail to see the funny side of it... just like I failed to see the funny side of Kyle's 'joke' about Magda loosing weight at a concentration camp.
This is one of the comments I wrote... and I'd like to share with you all too.
My message to cyclists (in response to an insulting response):
If we want cyclists to be embraced by our community instead of being hunted targets (only cyclists know that it's not a 'joke' when we continue to get run off the road - often with vengeful attacks), we must be refrain from verbal backlashes (as tempting that it may be). Only when our community loves us that they will take care of us, look out for us, be aware of us, protect us and be proud of us. In order to have our community love us, we must not be boastful or insulting - making such retorts is a step in the wrong direction.
My message to non-cyclists:
If we want more Australians to become world cycling champions like Cadel Evans, then we need to support them and cheer them on - not belittle them and make 'jokes' about running them off the road.
Australia ought to be proud that we have a WORLD CHAMPION CYCLIST - that's right - the best cyclist in the world is AUSTRALIAN!!!! ... so let's celebrate and take care of our cyclists - let's celebrate their passion and let's be inspired to be more like them. Cadel didn't get to where he is by training in the gym.
ChrisS
· 2 months ago
Hi Grace, I spent a bit of time on the Ten forums attempting to respond and now wish I could have that time back. For sleeping.
Anyway, the reaction from people posting comments on there supporting Magda & Julia is that it was merely humour. There is a obvious disconnect from what was really being said and reality. Hey, I've got a very robust sense of humour & it helps when coping with daily life, but I think Julia's comments should be questioned as well. She's the one who actually took the segment elsewhere. Badly.
Anonymous
· 2 months ago
My boss came into work and he had to tell me how funny this was and how true it is. I watched the video on the 10 website and I thought it was disgusting. I cant believe that people are so anti cycling.I don't care what recreational sports other people take part in. Maybe Wade could take the cast of Good News Week out for a ride.
Contact Jenny Craig
· 2 months ago
I invite you to direct your comments about Magda's less than humorous suggestion to open doors on cyclists to Jenny Craig (click link for 'contact us' page).
Marchello
· 2 months ago
I think this is a good way of showing her what we think - as long as well dont get all hot headed. They pay her to loose weight - if enough people complain to Jenny Craig - they will make her listen - healthy life style on a bike helps everyone to loose weight - well at least it allows me to each bucket loads of yummy food.
History repeats
· 2 months ago
I'm sure spectators at the Colosseum thought it was entertaining to see wild animals attacking humans. One could easily assume those being attacked didn't find it all that entertaining. Such inane comments may appear as a joke to those standing on the outside... but those on the inside understand just how damaging it is to have crowds cheering on.
Is this history repeating itself?
still guilty
· 2 months ago
your colloseum comment reminds me of something i did over 30 years ago. i'm ashamed to admit that when i was at primary school i got involved with a group that made fun of a boy a few years younger than us. i can't remember exactly what the jokes were about but i'm sure that he didn't find them funny. i was a spectator that cheered on the attacks because i was scared of being attacked myself. a year later that same boy was hit by a bus and killed and i have been carrying the guilt ever since. if i could turn back the time and undo what i did (or rather, what i didn't do), i would. if i could say sorry i would. my advice to magda and julia (and wendy) be careful what you say even in jest. whether you mean it or not, you are being bullies. the guilt is not worth the miniscule entertainment you get from saying such hurtful things. labelling your comments as a joke is lame. i can say this because i've lived it and it sucks.
matt pinarello413
· 2 months ago
You know what i would like to put in the bin? Magda!! Only she wont fit!!! She's doing weight watches so there is still hope!!!! Maybe she needs to exercise!!!! Maybe ride a bike on Beach Road!!!! HAHAHA. Jokes people.. I can see how us cyclist can get angry, but it is a joke. Probably taken a bit far but hey, it's just comedy.
Hollywood
· 2 months ago
Kyle's joke was funny Magna's joke and her weight aren't.
Twoeee
· 2 months ago
Wow, two fat women making jokes about people who can do something they can't. Wendy's comments shocked us but a least did not ask motorist to try to kill, mame or injure us. Should we forward the to Kyle and see if he will give Magda her just desserts. Sorry he can't she has already eaten it!!!!
Stay cool
· 2 months ago
Such comments don't help our cause - you should read the comment about backlashing above (cut and pasted below).
"If we want cyclists to be embraced by our community instead of being hunted targets (only cyclists know that it’s not a ‘joke’ when we continue to get run off the road – often with vengeful attacks), we must be refrain from verbal backlashes (as tempting that it may be). Only when our community loves us that they will take care of us, look out for us, be aware of us, protect us and be proud of us. In order to have our community love us, we must not be boastful or insulting – making such retorts is a step in the wrong direction."
Anonymous
· 2 months ago
If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones, comedy can be found in so many other ways.
Mikie
· 2 months ago
I had a massive dissussion on FB with a mate about the whole issue. At the end we both agreed there is absolutely no excuse for inciting violence against anyone, but the particular view of cyclists in Australia somehow creates a loophole for this behaviour. It shocking that chanel 10, as a sponsor of Amy's ride let this go to air. This lead on to a greater discussion of the problem of beach rd. Magda has some valid gripes as a resident there.
If you look at other major centres of activity, (MCG, Bondai, etc) the councils and police have measures in place to deal with the large crowds - the mobs, and other associated logistical and behavioural problems which can occour. Whenever there is a large group of people, individuals loose their sense of responsibility for their actions, and find justification for what they do based on the fact that "everyone is doing it". At the G, this can result in traffic, noisy crowds, violence etc. Similar things at Bondai. These are massive centres in their respecive sub-cultures, and as such, the police and councils have realised that they need special measure in place to deal with the associated problems.
The councils and police around beach road have not recognised the area as the cycling mecca it has become. They have identified there is a cycling 'problem' but have done little to deal with it. Residents don't want to give up their parking, drivers don't want to give up their lanes, and cyclists don't want to be encumbered on their training rides. At this stalemate, an indipendent review really needs to step in to make a decision.
There is no denying that on Beach road, a 'mob' of cyclists can easily end up 4-5 abreast, running lights, because they feel empowered by being in a big bunch. I like to think that those groups are in the minority. I guarantee when an individual goes into another lane of traffic just so he/she can pass riders who are already 4 abreast, they know what they are doing is wrong, but as there are 'no reprocussions' for their actions, then why should they be slowed down. (very similar feeling to the frustration cars feel when they have to slow down for cyclists) There is definitely room for more legal reprocussions for inapropriate rides, as part of a larger solution to the problem of traffic flow.
Don't get me worng, I ride on Beach road as well and generally behave myself. I am occassionally guilty of fanging it when i really shouldn't, but am not so one sided as to think that behaviour might not be part of the problem. We SHOULD keep our vioces down at the cafe at 'stoopid oclock' in the morning, we SHOULD be warry of how much noise our cleats and hubs make in front of houses, and we certainly SHOULD obay traffic rulles. Only then can we take the moral high ground.
My heart goes out to all those cyclists, and pedestrians who have been injured or lost their lives on Beach road, and pray that someone with some power steps in for positive change. Untill then, I empathise for the Magdas in the world, but hope they think twice before they open their massive, foul, cake holes on national tv.
Grace Australia
· 2 months ago
Well put Mikie.
TC
· 2 months ago
I agree with Magda...
...wait for it....
Cyclists and motorised vehicles should NOT share beach road. In fact it should be shut down to motorists (local traffic only) on weekends between 6-11am.
In the interim, there should also be police motorcycles patrolling beach road during these hours to deter all those hooligans who enjoy hanging out car windows and shouting profanities at peaceful bunches. And YES, they should also book any cyclists who go through red lights and hit people... it seems only fair.
Magda, you are a funny woman and some may even find you likeable, nevertheless I suspect most women in your state would be more than glad to look at our chiselled glutes in lycra... perhaps it's the classic frustration of being able to see something but not touch? I had it too while looking at pictures of my bicycle while overseas... I understand.
I think a session on Kew Bvd and meeting Michael in person would prove adequate to reshape Magda's distorted views.
Advocating separating times for the road is not a meaningful or useful response to cases of a) breaking the law (motorists and cyclists alike) b) flagrant careless acts.
(I live on Beach Rd and I actually think it should be local only, ALL the time - turn it into a destination. Roundabouts, speed humps (cyclist friendly of course) - would stop all the summer rice rocket hoons racing Beach Rd and make it beautiful but best wait until I OWN property on Beach Rd ;) ).
Here's a simple step forward. Riders - stop running reds. Nothing sh!ts me more as a cyclist, or motorist. You're setting a VERY bad example. This simple gesture is effective and genuine. Gives whinging motorists one less thing to whinge about as they sit at a red, idling, single occupant, angry at life, at the other single occupant car traffic (oh! the irony).
And as much fun as the NRR (and its ilk) is, running deep reds is poor form coz it's NOT a race.
I mean it's like rice rocket boy racers in souped up Lancers smashing pedestrians and into light poles. Pov.
ColREd
· 2 months ago
Well put. The more of us getting out there, the more indiscretions become visible. One cyclist's indiscretion is the equivalent of 50 in the eye of a motorist, comedian or bureaucrat. From a safety stand point we should all start thinking about mounting cameras on our bikes, I'm sourcing now for summer (protection/insurance) fun.
JB
· 2 months ago
I think the troubling point of the segment was that Magda failed to be humorous on any level. She sounded angry, shrill and genuinely disturbing. Julia Morris was vomiting her anger all over the place. This is not a debate about having a laugh at yourself, it is a response to a totally unacceptable humorless rant Paul McDermott should have intervened in when it went so clearly ugly. And the irony of two fat women who advertise all bran and weight loss hating cyclists... that was the only vein of humour in the whole sad event.
Shaz
· 2 months ago
Bollocks - she was very funny - lycra is just wrong - unless you are actually competing in a Tour or some other area were the wearing of it is equally required - other than that - it's WRONG - and quite stupid looking really
Just the thought of pink and white lycra bums bouncing up and down in front of me - blech!
I didn't think Julia was funny with the door comment though - but how stupid are all you lycra bloggy people attributing the comment to Magda - and the atrocious spelling throughout this blog - does lycra rot your little brains
Stop riding across pedestrian crossings
Stop riding in the park
Stop doing that ridiculous balancing thing at traffic lights - everyone thinks you're a twit
slyrider
· 2 months ago
I thought Melbourne would have had enough of the Beach Road cyclo-argie-bargie by now. I'm not local but when I was down your way with roadie in tow, I was impressed at just how well laid out Beach Rd is. I don't have a quality place to train like that at my back door. You're very fortunate to have this stretch of black top and you should cherish it.
I don't know how many times this sort of trash about rego plates on bikes, road rule transgression and the inconvenience cyclists pose to motorist just keeps on going around the mill.
How about chucking that in the bin Magda? Or maybe you're spending too much time playing with your i-phone in public.
If this misplaced attempt at humour is taken up by anyone driving a vehicle as permission to use their vehicle as a 2 tonne weapon against an unsuspecting, legal road using cyclist, then Magda has a case to answer for inciting violence. I sincerely hope this never happens.
Wireless
· 2 months ago
In my opinion, this is far worse than Wendy's comments. Like you said, taking the mickey out of cyclists for the cafe runs in cleats is fair game as we can all laugh at ourselves for something like that, but once you start suggesting that one should try and kill them all it's taking it all too far. You're spot-on in the last paragraph, couldn't agree with you more.
Oh, and Magda: pssssst, if you want respect you've got to earn it
Leigh
· 2 months ago
I am becoming used to being the butt of many I hate cyclists jokes. This started out as one, but probably went a little too far. I would love to see her catch up with Michael Forbes, maybe Kyle would be willing to arrange that.
Chris Little
· 2 months ago
I don't want to watch the vid, but I suspect it gets to us cyclists because of our setting. If Magda ran the joke/rant in Italy or Belgium (say) where cyclists are more respected, I think it would have been funny. 'Run over bike riders, how stoopid is that, ha ha!.'
But here in Oz, there's already too much argy-bargy on the roads, so Magda is not inciting the unimaginable. She's ended up encouraging the violent that their behaviour is OK. Even that they can ramp it up.
Kos
· 2 months ago
So Magda gets on her high horse when some radio jock (inappropriately) goes her about her size but then finds it appropriate to make jokes about hitting people with her car? Nice one......
Contact Jenny Craig
· 2 months ago
I invite you to direct your comments about Magda’s less than humorous suggestion to open doors on cyclists to Jenny Craig (click link for ‘contact us’ page). I just did and called it "NOT HAPPY JEN!"
JC
· 2 months ago
An hour of cycling beach road 3-4 times a week would probably add 5-10 years to Magda's life expectancy. So long as she stays out of Julia's way. Come on Magda, if you can't beat 'em join 'em.
Why is that most of the time it's fat people ranting about cyclists - next time you cop some abuse have a look, chances are it's a less-active-than-a-sloth-type-person ;)
Timbo
· 2 months ago
Snap. I agree.
Chillers
· 2 months ago
Interestingly Magda has her own news forum over at Jenny Craig for purpose built to "send Magda your message". http://www.jennycraig.com.au/forum/Default.aspx.... Perhaps a cross linked post might be appropriate.
Timbo
· 2 months ago
Here's the problem.
This isn't a cyclists/motorists problem. It's a people problem. And always will be.
IF - 1 Cyclists stopped breaking laws 2 Motorists stopped breaking laws 3 Motorists and humans weren't so selfish 4 Motorists had to commute every now and then to understand risks 5 People took personal responsibility
then we'd all be better off, much happier and respect each other Problem is 1-5 ain't gonna happen because it's easier as a motorist to b!tch and moan about 'those bloody lycra loons' and just be miserable dangerous gits, and for cyclists to run lights and ride like crazy (yes, we do do it, admit it) than to Get Can Do.
Good on Magda for trying to lose weight - pity her mouth goes running off - she should spend her energy smashing weights and riding bikes. She should be an ambassador not a ...
Looking fwd to dropping an email to Jenny Craig now.
Am I allowed to make fat jokes? I'm a reformed fatty so I think I might be able to? Someone please advise.
tim
Timbo
· 2 months ago
So, you can't make fat jokes (I can, and will) but she didn't like Kyle's joke?
This reminds me of that pitch that was on the Gruen transfer (never aired) showing that even fat jokes aren't funny (which I disagree with, and only coz I am a reformed fatty).
[Sorry Wade if I am flaming - feel free to delete my comments - I've been hit twice - both seriously requiring hospitalisation - by cars on Beach Rd so I am VERY sensitive to this].
Don
· 2 months ago
I personally think that talking about the weight of these people is irrelevant. It's got nothing to do with the issue here, and it diminishes any argument we have against their advocacy of violence towards a vulnerable minority.
Hamish
· 2 months ago
Getting off-topic, but I agree with you Timbo as a reformed fatty myself.. being overweight is not in the same category as being Jewish, gay or of a certain race. It is undesirable, and you CAN do something about it.
Mikie
· 2 months ago
...Out of curriosity, what state is the Beach road discussion at on a State or Fedral level? The scope of the problem clearly lies beyond the ability of a local municipal budget to deal with. Is anyone up to speed on what dialogues are going on at at levels higher then local newsletters? Petitions? MPs who are following the issue?
Timbo
· 2 months ago
Bayside councils are currently considering no stopping lanes on Beach Rd/Jacka/Ormond/St K street etc on weekends.
The behaviour of bunches is governed by the various state Road Acts.
Current residents Bayside and Kingston running a very ill informed anti stopping zone (which I agree is probably poor policy for residents) and also nasty anti cyclist propagandha effort via Murray Thompson state MLC for Sandy sending out horrible, horrible letters.
When I have the time I'll be writing back.
Mikie
· 2 months ago
Sounds like it's about time we found someone higher up who could table some talks about the beach road issue. The local councils need to back the intrests of the majority of their residents, which is probably going to clash with what the greater community's needs. A beach road forum is a thread unto itself though, and judging by some quick googling the issue could use a few pokes to stoke the fire. I don't want to derail a good thread about magda...
Tim
· 2 months ago
I know from being involved with St Kilda Triangle the residents groups themselves are a serious force to be reckoned with*
I'm glad the Herald Sun is to busy with Brendan Fevola to strart running "Lycra Hoons Attack our Magda"
*no offense to anyone involved in the campaign, my professional and personal opinions on that project are not one and the same
Kibnedyo
· 2 months ago
I recognise the right for cyclists to be ridiculed. I'm a fat, old, git who dresses in lycra which admittedly fails to hide some huge unsightly bits. The fact I wear this in public opens me up to that. I wear this stuff for comfort on the bike and I can accept the crap that goes with it. I deserve it. However, I draw the line at comments that incites violence, even if thinly veiled in humour. Jokes about bombs in suitcases are not welcomed around airports and as far as I am concerned jokes about 'dooring' etc are equally poor taste. Dare I say it bordering on terrorism.
Get a grip
· 2 months ago
I ride and I drive.... Truth be known I feel that %60 of the time its the cyclist thats in the wrong or acts in an inappropriate manner. But that doesn't discount the other %40 of incidents.... We ALL need to get some manners and appreciate that there are always things that may hinder us or inconvienance us as we move forward with life. Just be bloody accepting of all circumstance because "what goes around comes around".
In relation to Madga's comment's I think we ALL again need to find the humour in them, this political correctness volley we play is past its used by date. No right minded person would think she or her counterpart where advocating running people off the road, it was a joke!!
Please; everyone; PULL OUR HEADS IN!!
Don
· 2 months ago
"No right minded person would think she or her counterpart where advocating running people off the road."
That's the whole _point_! It's not the right minded people I'm worried about! Don't you get it? This sort of hate speech is a dog whistle to the sorts of people who view cyclists as sub-human, and do not consider our lives worthy. The people who deliberately pass you too closely, who throw objects at you - these are the weak minded cretins who see these "jokes" as reinforcement to their whacked out views. After all, it was said by someone on the TV, it must be alright.
Anonymous
· 2 months ago
Thing is, it only takes ONE idiot, egged on by this crap, to kill or injure someone. Will you feel a bit more nervous on your beach Road ride this week end?!
Whopper
· 2 months ago
Didn't Hitler use the same strategy to turn public opinion?
Chillers
· 2 months ago
Unfortunately drivers/people are occasionally not right minded. Agreed, its only the one in a thousand (i.e. low) whom is influenced by such Magda commentary. Problem is when you come across that person (the more you ride the greater the probability) whom is prepared to compirmise your safety with a vehicle it tends to sharpen your focus in wishing there was fewer people who consider such behaviour tolerable.
Don
· 2 months ago
As others on the 10 forum have mentioned, see if you could get away with such "jokes" if you substituted any other protected minority. Pick a minority race and then advocate mowing them down and see how far that "joke" goes. Why the hell don't these laws apply to us? It's just as dangerous. The problem we have as a cycling community is that we aren't organised. Think civil rights groups - we won't get anywhere without organising to respond to this sort of hate speech.
As for the lycra/shoes jokes, I don't care about those. Actually, it's pretty pathetic that so called professional comedians can't come up with something beyond the very very tired and recycled jokes about cycling sports gear.
Oasis
· 2 months ago
Talk about one minority attacking another, I wonder how Magda would respond to a 'beat a fat lesbian' rant/joke aired on prime-time, national tv?
MrT
· 2 months ago
This is rubbish and shows a complete lack of corporate responsibility. Channel 10 sponsor Amy's Ride but let this go to air? The Herald-Sun, long time sponsors of bike racing, continually run anti cycling articles. I guess these morons don't realise the damage, on the ground, that they're doing.
ColREd
· 2 months ago
Like the saying goes - it's all fun and games until someone looses an eye - or in this case gets sued. A well versed Silk could create an argument between the provocative text and images delivered from tabloid press, to the increase of injuries of cyclists. All data ascertainable if you know the right people and have deep pockets with long arms.
mike_drechsel
· 2 months ago
I can't get the video to play. I wonder whether it won't play for computers with IP addresses originating from the US of A (that's where I'm located). Anyone else having trouble? I'd love to see these people talking.
last night whist riding home from the station in springwood - blue mountains - i had an obsticle thrown at me from a car. it hit me on the back and i at first thought it was a branch falling from a tree. then it all made sences as the car beeped its horn and yelled at me.
they then proceeded to the next intersection, turned around and drove back towards me. honestly i was shit scared the were going to throw another thing at me so i didn't really get to eyeball the number plate. just wondering if they had been watching GNW.
Andy
· 2 months ago
How are the comments made by Madga and Julie (regarding running cyclists off the road) and different than attacking a group of people based on race and/or religion? It's not! You can get thrown in jail for racial vilification, yet publicly attaching a group of people and incite murder and/or bodily harm is ok? Kyle Sanderlands attacked a single individual (ok, he's done so on more than one occasion) and he gets taken off air and faces the "death" of his radio career? And he was PAID to be a shock jock (ie, its his job to stir ppl up)! The very least Madga and Julie can do is publicly apologise for their comments. If we are lucky Madga's god awful TV show will be yanked! :(
James L
· 2 months ago
As we have seen this clearly represents the lack of social responsibility on the part of the broadcaster. Sensationalism in media is rife everywhrere, on a day by day basis. The only thing that happens is that consumers to not turn off (e.g. Kyles ratings barely moving from their pre-scandal levels).
Change has to start somewhere, vote with our fingers - dont watch the show, dont support the newspaper. If we condone the behaviour (lack of values, morals etc) then it will continue. Unfortunately watching a show in the future supports that behaviour.
James
ProCaf
· 2 months ago
at least Jenny Craig got back to me quick.
"Dear Paul,
Thank you for your email.
In response to your comments re Magda's appearance on Good News Week, Jenny Craig understands that Magda’s recent remarks have caused frustration and anger but we would like to assure you, we do not have any control over any public remarks, whether said in jest or not, that take part outside of our advertising.
We would also like to reassure you that we don’t agree with violence or derogatory remarks against anybody and have passed on your feedback to Magda’s management.
Jenny Craig Customer Care"
Don
· 2 months ago
Excellent. This is the sort of thing that works. Hit them where the money is. These people are only on air by the grace of the advertiser dollar. Off to do the same.
Mikie
· 2 months ago
I got the same reply ;)
Mikie
· 2 months ago
(well, replace Paul with Mike.... )
Don
· 2 months ago
I take that as a good sign. I would expect that they had to draft up a standard reply because hopefully they are receiving more than just a few emails. And this would mean in an organisation that size that management and legal would probably have needed to review the response. The more people (who pay sponsor dollars) that know about this, the better!
Mikie
· 2 months ago
Agreed! If you'll forgive the cliche, "United we stand"
Justin
· 2 months ago
It's impossible to draw a link between the furore and people's actions, and there probably isn't one, but in the Illawarra today a popular cyclist from the LBS was collected by a motorist doing a gutter runner (legally). It sounds as though he's moved into the left lane to get ahead and got her back wheel. It's an 80 zone through there, most folks do 90 easily. She's lucky to be alive. http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/news/local/n...
Don
· 2 months ago
Sorry, not true. It may not be possible to link specific events (how convenient), but the reason certain types of hate speech are banned is precisely because it is linked to actual violence. Insert a racial minority for "cyclist" in their little rant. Why would they not be able to get away with that? Why do we have laws against that? It's not to protect hurt feelings.
David Rafferton
· 2 months ago
All comments about Magda's rant on the Jenny Craig site are being removed.
I received an email regarding why my comment was taken down and according to the email, the comments are going to be forwarded to Magda's management.
I have just replied to the email (to Jenny Craig) asking that my email also be forwarded to Magda's management as I have offered to go on a bicycle ride with Magda (ala- the ride with Wendy), supplying her with a bike to ride, helmet, etc. I'm not out to prove how slow or unfit she is, but to show her how much fun cycling is and to show and talk to her about how dangerous her words were. Beach Rd on a Sat morning would be my preferred ride with Magda. If I can finish off with a coffee stop where she get's to meet Michael Forbes then all the better.
Fingers crossed something comes of this. But I'm not holding my breath...
David Rafferton
· 2 months ago
Opps! I missed ProCaf post. Same response for me.
Christian
· 2 months ago
Dave...why not get a tandem for these 2 clowns . What a sight that will be !! More like 2 airbags on a bike
Not Magdas Fault!
· 2 months ago
All, it's not Magda's fault there was a 2 for 1 doughnut special at Krispy Kreme's on the morning before the show. The Monday North Road Ride is a recovery one after all, the bunch would have been going a bit slower than usual. Sorry Magda, pity the special wasn't on a Tues or Thurs. Those are the faster days.
Maybe Krispy Kremes to home deliver. Problem solved for everyone!
Simo
· 2 months ago
I think one point to come out of all of this is something that has been crystallising as an issue in my head...
Like it or not we as cyclists are held to a higher standard of account in our road behaviour. It doesn’t matter whether we think this is fair/unfair/right/wrong/black or white, it simply IS.
A motorist can see you do anything wrong and tell the world about it, probably the person he is talking to on his mobile phone as he drives, and the cyclist will be the villain.
As such we simply need to accept this is the case and deal with it. If we are being required to live by a higher standard of road rules then let us do it, if we have to be pillars of road rule righteousness then let’s do it. Only that way can we slowly, slowly change to world...certainly by giving any reason for antagonism we won’t achieve any meaningful progress.
In the mean time we can also start to exert such pressure as we can on such issues as development of better road practices on Beach Rd. etc.
But next time you consider or are about to undertake any behaviour a motorist could get angry about realise you are hurting all cyclists as your fuel their contempt...
MrT
· 2 months ago
That would work if everybody did it, but they won't. The idiot cyclist I see run a red light (*usually wearing street clothes on a ratty MTB) isn't one of us. He's a 6x a year rider (probably speeds and uses a mobile while driving too) and screws it for the rest of us. Two things are needed: more driver education and much heavier penalties for any breaches against us. *Recent uni research shows these guys are the typical light runner, not the lycra clad regular.
Travis
· 2 months ago
All,
Attacking these two ladies about their weight is a waste of time and just help prove the misnomer that cyclists are collectively loud mouthed aggressive lairs.
We should collectively point out how much good cycling does for the community for example: Around the bay in a Day raises how much money for charity?
Amy's Ride how much money does that raise for the community?
We as group should hold our heads high because by the very nature of our chosen sport we also contribute to on going health of our planet.
Do Magda and Julia contribute anything as significant to the community as we do? Well certainly not through their poor attempts at humor attacking a soft target like the cycling community, ha ha be original ladies and maybe we will pay attention.
We need to get over ourselves a little bit and see it for what it was tasteless and baseless and move on.
If we need to get on a soap box get on it for the right reasons and all the positives that cyclists bring to the community like the up coming Kilometers for Kids ride in NSW to support the John Mclean Foundation.
Travis
David Rafferton
· 2 months ago
I agree Travis. Lets keep the nasty comments out of this. It only lowers us to their level. Come on guys, lets do better. Lets affect real change.
Noodles
· 2 months ago
Self righteous at all?
Travis
· 2 months ago
Maybe Noodles but bloody hell we cop enough shit for having fun and enjoying ourselves so lets try and be positive about this stuff
Timbo
· 2 months ago
I think Wade's methods in this are perfect. Wendy and Magda, get them out there and skinny them up and make them realise what it's all about.
Really and truly, "sick of cyclists riding to get fit." I'm dripping in irony. Dripping!
Conor
· 2 months ago
A copy of the email I sent to Jenny Craig:
I would just like to send you a message noting my disgust at Magda Szubanski's anti cyclist comment made on God News Week, 28th September 2009.
With an ever increasing population in Australia, increased environmental awareness (of which Magda herself is an ambassador) and an increasing number of cyclists using the road for commuting, recreation, training and fitness, it would be a good time for someone in Magda's position to point out that what she was saying in fact totally in jest. Sadly there are people out there who would see this kind of act (swerving or dooring a cyclist) as comical, and it does happen all to often.
Rather than apologising for what was said it would be a great opportunity for Magda to point out the benefits of regular cycling, and the need for both parties (cyclists and motorists) to follow the road rules and share the road as it is stated by law.
I think we can all agree that there are too many deaths and injuries on our roads, including motorists, cyclist, motorbikers and pedestrians. To in any way trivialise this, be it under the banner of humour or not, is an irresponsible act by anyone seen as a role model.
I believe that as one of her corporate partners, you as a company are in a position to strongly encourage and support Magda to make a formal retraction of her comments and purport the benefits that cycling can have in contributing to the healthy lifestyle that your company profits from.
Kind regards,
Conor
Billy Buster
· 2 months ago
If you'd like to voice your concern to Network Ten
Oh, also, when voicing your concern to Channel 10, Jenny Craig or whatever makes you feel good about yourself, be sure to follow Wade's tips on looking euro-cool:
How about just getting on the bike and going for a frickin' ride instead?
Conor
· 2 months ago
Thanks for the tip Noodles, though i rode Edithvale - Port Melbourne return yesterday arvo in the sunshine before penning my letter.
If I can do anything to increase driver awareness and my safety on the road I'm gunna do it. Though you're probably way to rad to do the same.
Conor
Don
· 2 months ago
Tell that to the quadriplegic mentioned earlier. I'm sure he'd love to go for a ride. Oh wait. You might not care about your safety at the hands of psychopaths egged on the redneck media, but some of us do.
cyclingtips
· 2 months ago
What I've learned over the years in different walks of life is that if you are the bigger person in any situation, you'll almost always come out on top. Don't stoop to anyone's level to make a point. There's always an angle on higher ground that you can take that will make a much more powerful point.
This goes for a situation like Magda's all the way down to commenters getting personal with each other.
Sense
· 2 months ago
Can't agree more!!
Lets put it more bluntly and say its all very well voicing your opinion and angst but stooping to personel attacks and not viewing it from both sides makes you views redundant.
Seriously now, we can do better than cheap shots and weight-related jokes to argue our case.
JD
· 2 months ago
Touche.
Grace Australia
· 2 months ago
Totally agree.
G
· 2 months ago
Vengeance is a dish best served cold, and to add some symmetry in bad taste, crotchless bike knicks. I promise you it'll be cold, and by comparison all our other antics will be forgiven. 1 month should do it. Then a return to status quo and they'll spend forever more whining about cyclists not wearing enough lycra. Make it happen.
Tommy P
· 2 months ago
Roads are public spaces. Something like 25-30% of a city's land is dedicated to roads. In the past in this space people would walk, hang out, ride horse and carts, sell goods etc.
Take a look at some of Bernardo Bellotto's city paintings from the late 1700's:
Since WWII the advancement of the car saw these public spaces turned into roads for moving vehicles around. In the USA they even stopped building footpaths! Like Magda said, if you get out of your house to do some exercise, or any other reason, you inevitably end up on a 4 lane highway full of 2 tonne vehicles that are mostly moving just one occupant around. Sorry Magda, but it's me who is sick of being forced to get out of the way each time I am out enjoying the outdoors. What's wrong with all the other lanes? Too much effort to overtake safely? Late for your favorite TV show? Maybe should have started your journey a few minutes earlier?
Most European cities are starting to phase cars out; congestion fees, improving public transport, reducing lanes and increasing walk-ways and bike lanes.
I still own a car, its still the best way to see this country and get away on the weekend. I just think if everyone reduced their car use by half (or more) through utilising public transport, bikes and even their feet, this would be a much better place to live.
Interesting. I just got a phone call from a reporter from The Age asking me about cyclist's concerns with Magda's comments. Quite the hot topic. Hope I didn't muck it up!
Travis
· 2 months ago
You will be right CT you seem to be the new God Father of Melbourne cycling.
peter
· 2 months ago
Hi Wade, be very careful how you say things to the paper and tv reporters.
from previous experience they will cut and misquote your comments if they want to.
you may be very PRO something and they can make you look very NEGATIVE.
anyway time will tell ... when we read in The Age "professional cyclist and part time movie maker , WW said "blah blah blah".
cheers Peter
cyclingtips
· 2 months ago
Thanks Peter. I finished it off with the disclaimer that I'm fine with them using my comments as long as they're kept in context not spliced. Not that saying anything like that will do any good.
You're right, time will tell...
Mike
· 2 months ago
Wade, if they are going to put it to air, please ensure that you get it posted on this so we can hopefully get a fair hearing to a reasonable argument.
Michael
· 2 months ago
Watching the video i agree with everyones comments that Magda has crossed the line, and i was thinking of tv shows like southpark and Borat which regularly cross the line on issues to be funny - however there is a big difference in crossing the line to prove how stupid it is do so and actually meaning it....i think magda actually meant it...which is just sad.
Unfortunately she probably isn't alone - who among us doesn't know some person that likes to bash cyclists (verbally i hope :0), we're easy targets?
Justin L
· 2 months ago
Spot on Tommy P, you've raised an interesting point about perspective.
I've been regularly cycling for about 18 months now on a roadie, and have had my share of horn-blasts, close calls, and one fall where a lady in a 4WD decided her car had more right to the BIKE LANE than I did. So, like most of us, I get this feeling that "motorists" are, in general, stupid and dangerous.
However, most of the people that I know in everyday life are pretty good people, and would never think to intentionally hurt someone. But most of these people are motorists. How do you reconcile these facts?
I truly believe that the majority of people (read drivers) genuinely think that we are not legally allowed on the road, and they are doing us a favour just by letting us be there.
Our perspective is that roads are public space, and we put them to their best use, travelling in an environmentally-friendly way, staying fit and active, getting involved in life. Drivers' perspectives are that roads are for cars, so get out of the way. It's pretty clear this is what Magda thinks from her comments. I mean, she even got upset about riders who stop at lights, but balance on the pedals! That will take me years to perfect...
I think Magda knew quite soon after she started her rant that what she was saying was stupid, but I'm glad to see she is being held to account. Unfortunately, she won't be the last person to slag off cyclists, and I doubt CT has time to take them all for Friday morning rides...
By the way, I normally commute in "civilian" shorts, but Magda's comments inspired me to don the full road kit for my ride Tuesday morning...
cyclingtips
· 2 months ago
yes...Friday morning is when I go out with my neanderthal mountain bike mates (tommyP being one of them). Monday morning is a much better time to do media rides...
Snowy
· 2 months ago
Amen to Monday mornings. Nobody in the media would pay attention to a Friday unless they were subjected to a ride. Ever noticed how politicians release bad news of Friday afternoons?
Natalie Hutchison
· 2 months ago
GET OVER IT!!!!!!
It was a joke and they have a fair point. You take up four lanes to ride around on main freeways so cn you see why this frustrate drivers. It is about time someone on national TV told you cyclists where you belong!!!!!!!!!!!
James
· 2 months ago
And where do we belong Natalie? In a gym? In a big 4WD? In a cemetery?
Someone told a certain celebrity on radio where he thinks she and people like her belong, as a joke, it was inappropriate, highly offensive to many and he was given a suspension from radio, and hung by the media. How is Magda & Julias "joke" any less offensive?
How about someone tells people that they have no right to public health services if they don't lead a healthy life, and take their health for granted. How about we tell fat people, anorexics, smokers, drinkers etc. that they do not belong in hospitals as their illnesses are self induced? We wouldn't do that, it's not fair, so don't try and tell us where cyclists belong, when the road rules clearly state that we have every right to the road. If you and many other motorists would give us some respect, we'd probably move further over to the left and let you pass all the time, but we sometimes don't, as we can't trust you to pass us safely.
I have never seen a cyclist, or a group of cyclists taking up FOUR LANES on any road, let alone one lane on a freeway, so stop making up rubbish.
Twoeee
· 2 months ago
Natalie, Natalie, Natalie I am so sorry you have the mindless mentality of a sheep and need to follow.
For starters most cyclists ride two fast for a bike path, I for one have been told by Police I am riding too fast for the designated bike path. He asked me to ride on the road for the safety of the bike path users. Please tell me where I should ride.
On the issue of saftey, a bike path lane is at best one bike wide, can you image the carnage which will happen when a bunch of 50 plus riders travelling at 35km/h come upon a cycist travelling slower or much worse in the other direction?
I am also sure we don't ride on Freeways, when was the last time you saw a bunch of riders on the West gate which was not part of an organised fund raising ride or a race?
So Natalie there is only one person who needs to get over it and that is YOU!!!!
Chris S
· 2 months ago
Natalie, please calm down.
Exclamation marks & shouting via caps lock prove nothing when arguing your point to a large group of annoyed people. Even if you don't agree with a different point of view, it's rather obvious that these remarks made on Monday night have hit a very raw nerve. Can you at the very least comprehend that?
mike
· 2 months ago
don't reply to NH - she's just baiting
JMS
· 2 months ago
I'm a regular road cyclist. I agree many cyclists are annoying to motorists. Some ride two-abreast and block traffic. They change lanes without looking. They run lights and stop signs. Cyclists can frustrate the hell out of drivers. But that doesn't give drivers the right to run us over and kill us.
This isn't just some cheap accusation. I've had rocks thrown at me, eggs, once a half-full 2-litre bottle of soft drink. The very day of Magda's rant, in fact, I got hit by some P-plate idiot (it usually is) throwing something, and I still have the bruise. There is a climate of hatred toward cyclists in this country that I'm quite certain has killed many people, and severely injured others. By injecting a further dose of popular contempt into the equation, Magda is increasing the odds that someone, somewhere out there on the roads, will do something stupid, and someone else will die. No amount of frustration on the part of any road user makes that the right thing to do.
obvious troll
· 2 months ago
Grar all youse cyclists are really stoopid!!!!1!
Oh, sorry Nathalie - double post.
hdmini
· 2 months ago
Disappointing words. Physical harm to anyone is never deserved, or should never be joked about.
Add one more voice to those appalled by the show. I love Magda's work but am very disappointed. These comments are, to use Magda's terminology, ''abhorrent''.
The Rabbit
· 2 months ago
Having just watched the footage it seems that Julia Morris was actually the instigator who first suggested 'taking them out' as a viable recourse.
Magda's rant was not funny. If anything it was ironic as she is trying to lose weight whilst condemning cyclists who ride "for exercise."
Anyway, as with Wendy, there is as much jealousy as there is resentment in her commentary. Julia is no better, another 'comedian' who has had a long tern struggle with weight. Wendy, Julia, Magda - common thread?
James
· 2 months ago
your right, but Magda responded with "just hit them with your door" or open your door onto them" or something similar.
Julia's comments might have been worse - but I think people are more offended by Magda, as some people saw her as an ambassador and inspiration for weight loss & healthy living, as well as environmentally conscious living - as an ambassador for Enviroweek.
Where as with Julia, she's just a terrible comedian.
brendan
· 2 months ago
wade, you are a far superior advocate for cyclists than BV ever is. if you start a lobby group i'll be first in line to hand over my dues.
Snowy
· 2 months ago
run for parliament?
Timbo
· 2 months ago
Actually BV are pretty good, they have to play politics and be very pragmatic, i.e. lose some battles to win ze war var, much like ze great Rommell, Gott in Himmel, ze man did ze best he could under ze zircumstanzes, nein?!
But seriously, BV play the game fairly well, they've got Brumby to wack a fair bit of coin at cycling, despite having a very very pro road (anti bike/PT) lobby in this country.
Having said that, Wade plays this magnificently, and I certainly would support any group/effort he started via one of my companies.
I can even see a tux. "Itsh Wallash, Wade Wallash". "Moneypenny? Mishilles, engage."
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Michael
· 2 months ago
I will email my comments to Ten and Jenny Craig. As other people have said, there really isn't too much difference between Kyle Sandilands comments on air and Magda's .... just the group they attack, and I guess the difference in public outrage to each, which is really worrying for cyclists.
Some lady plowed into a massive group of cyclists on Tamaki Drive in Auckland ( a road around the harbour in some ways similar to beach road) One critical in intensive care and absolute carnage.
Spock
· 2 months ago
And Robbie McEwen has tweeted a link to a youtube video version of the rant in question. He has 26k followers on twitter. When he did something similar over a celebrity chef in the UK who admitted to deliberately forcing cyclists off the road in his car, the press took note and it made the BBC. He’s @mcewenrobbie on twitter.
"The following is a statement from Magda Szubanski:
"I am so sorry that the skit on bikers has caused offence. There are so many safety issues surrounding cyclists. Certainly motorists need to become much more aware and considerate of cyclists on the road. My belief is that responsible cycling is to use bike paths where possible and if it's not possible, to be extra careful on the roads.
We all make mistakes and the point is that hopefully we learn from them. Clearly my joke was stupid and insensitive but perhaps it has brought to light that there are frustrations amongst cyclists and motorists. Hopefully some good will come of this and it will help promote useful dialogue between the two groups where some of these frustrations can be worked through in a productive way.
I am a bike rider from way back and in fact have been planning to buy a new bike. As a gesture of solidarity I have offered to participate in the National Ride to Work Day on 14th October. Apologies again. And, yes, I will be wearing lycra." ends Magda Szubanski"
James L
· 2 months ago
And my reply to the apology from the Ten worker who posted the Magda statement:
To Benjoman, other Ten workers and Magda (if she actually looks at this)
Whilst I appreciate the comments that have been made, the apology from Magda and her offering to ride to work on the national ride to work day, I simply dont buy it.
I dont buy it for the following reasons:
1. Ten chose to air, after screening, approving and editing the material, knowing that this would cause inflamation in the community and strengthen the divide between people who share the road, an already sensitive issue with many injured each year. This is the implication of the skit, no ifs or buts, no comedy, no skit excuses etc.
2. It is my opinion that the GNW producers, Paul and Ten chose to do this for the sensational and polarising reactions it would receive thus boosting ratings at the obvious potential expense of the harm of others
3. The above group also chose to do this knowing that they cannot be responsible for peoples actions who they cannot control but can significantly infulence; especially those who may not be able to fully interpret the jovial nature of the skit, even if it is considered a comedy.
The above are my opinions of the situation, there may be other elements and some of the above could be challenged by Ten. I think that in the spirit of remediation and true apology it would be appropriate for the Ten Network to do one (or more) of the following:
1. Donate Prime Time advertising slots ($$) to road safety awareness 2. Have a segment on another, more appropriate high rating show that can have a positive impact on the community 3. Financially support (through advertising $$) cycling campaigns such as the Amy Gillet foundation and others that aim to reduce cycling accidents and road awareness.
I suggest that the Ten Network, focused primarily on the executives including Grant Blackley, consider the above with a view to act; to also seriously consider if they think that this is a good reflection of their brand in the marketplace. You should reflect on a way in which the Ten Network could make a positive impact on the community.
Regards, James
Michael
· 2 months ago
I don't buy the apology. This bit here is one reason.
"My belief is that responsible cycling is to use bike paths where possible and if it’s not possible, to be extra careful on the roads."
Basically contempt for any of cyclists that dare to use roads when in her mind it's obvious we should not be on the road. I doubt she even knows cyclist have a legal right to travel two abreast on the road.
I will concede it's not all one way traffic though. Rides like hell ride, and even some of that footage of the NRR don't do us any favours. It's up to us to stamp that rubbish out and leave the racing for the race course.
Paul
· 2 months ago
I know I will not be watching good news week, or The Spearman Experiment in protest! Fancy even a small group of 20 riding along the bike path, with the runners, pram pushers and dog walkers, she has no idea!!
well done wade wallace for approaching this with a lot of maturity and integrity. your alliterative name suggests you are some kind of comic book super hero?
Dan
· 2 months ago
Since a lot have brought it up I found this interesting article a while back on the parallels between the marginalisation of cyclists and racism, sexism and other mode-isms.
Well, as a rider who commutes every day and rides at weekends, I started to be a bit offended, but then the rant just got so over the top that it was obviously hyperbole. How many times have you been in a car with other cycling mates, seen someone who doesn't fit your ideal of a rider for whatever reason and jokingly suggested "taking them out"? It would be almost unAustralian NOT to do so. Magda and Julia were using hyperbole. They weren't inciting violence. Just the opposite. How many people do you really think will drive past a cyclist and seriously consider "taking them out" because Julia Morris screamed it on GNW. If you can't laugh at yourself you need to take a good look at yourself. I mean, the clipply cloppy thing walking into a coffee shop is pretty funny!
Spock
· 2 months ago
Do you have Stockholm syndrome?
It only takes one nutter to see the entire audience cheering at the idea of taking out cyclists with their door for this sort of crap to go horribly wrong. If you do actually ride as much as you say, you have somehow not encountered these people?
There's a reason why it's illegal to incite violence (even as a "joke") against many marginalized groups in our community. It's because bigoted wingnuts see it as a license to act our their bigoted fantasies. However for some reason, our particular minority is somehow fair game? I hope you, or someone you love isn't on the receiving end of one of these cretins with a license and a 4WD!
paul
· 2 months ago
Sadly, after living in Australia for a number of years this hatred towards bikes and bikers is actually culturally normal. I'm yet to meet a society that dislikes cyclists so much. Having objects thrown at you from moving vehicles and listening to abuse from passing cars and even walkers was just a normal day in Australia.
Yes- this is below the belt and yes this type of humor is a bit off- but the lack of respect and hate towards cyclists goes far deeper than a comedy sketch downunder......much deeper.
So she has apologized? The media will pickup on it soon and it will pass. But sadly, the haters will still be there. I feel sorry for Australia's lack of culture and acceptance of anything other than the car.
I'm much happier now in New Zealand ;)
Paul
· 2 months ago
It makes me very sad and depressed watching the video. What's wrong with humans?
Travis
· 2 months ago
Ok this has gone on long enough I propose a Friday morning ride from north rd back to St kilda, starting at 5.45 or 6 anyone interested?
The honerable Mr Wallace came across very smooth- He'll likely be at the SKCC crtis this Sunday taking autographs :-)
I think this just proves that ignorance is a bigger problem for us cyclists that mallace (in most cases). We need to take Wade's good lead and encourage open dialogue and education. Maybe if Magda truly is sorry we could try and plant her with some facts for her ride to work day. As some pro cycling messages will always be better reveived by non cyclists if they are said by non cyclists..
And if that doesn't work- lets follow Robbie McEwans advice :-)
Timbo
· 2 months ago
The comments re: motorists having the perception that a) we're not legally entitled to the road b) bike paths are safe (hmmm not for my 40km/h commute) c) we don't pay road tax (I know I pay tax through my petrol use) Are worrying and well entrenched in non-cycling drivers.
I know groups like AGF etc aim to cut through and realign perceptions, but to my mind, they're critically failing.
What is needed is a sh!tload of cash and a VERY SMART marketing campaign (Seth Godinesque logo, website etc) where the facts are made clear to drivers via print media, TV etc.
The govt should help fund it. I'd put money in.
The name should be assertive but not passive aggressive.
Personal stories of road carnage where cyclists end up hurt would cut through.
Much like TACs ads.
cheers, Tim Marsh
Twoeee
· 2 months ago
Timbo
Lets start a Guerilla Campaign!!!! Be a bit of fun, what do you think?
Twoeee
lucky
· 2 months ago
I ride to work everyday and I agree with Magda!
Twoeee's wife2be
· 2 months ago
Here's a point of view from the other side - the partners of cyclists...
While I trust that my fiance does the right thing while riding (most of the time :P) I am still petrified of receiving a phone call from the police or the hospital saying he's been injured while riding.
The issue with Magda's comments is that she doesn't take into account that these cyclists are people, who have people at home who love them and want to see them come home every night safely. It's no different for the people who drive to work or use public transport - their families expect that they will come home safely...
Paul
· 2 months ago
Reading through these posts it is not hard to see why drivers and the public in general dislike us bikers. You all sound like an elitist set of tossers. Life is dangerous- not just riding a bike. Life is about risks and shit happens.
If you all want to be so super safe and never get injured- take up knitting.
Spock
· 2 months ago
Go google Stockholm syndrome, Paul. I'm happy to take reasonable risks. Homicidal maniacs spurred on by redneck media is not a reasonable risk. Nor should it be in a civilized society.
Look at how our wonderful fellow Australians laughed and abused riders who were taking out by that idiot who deliberately braked and took down the bunch. Charming that you take their side. Do you really ride a bike on the road?
Paul
· 2 months ago
Well if it is in Google then it must be true.
Spock
· 2 months ago
What a strong come back! I think I'll retreat after that blistering missive.
Timbo
· 2 months ago
Hey dude. Next time you're walking on a footpatch with say, you 4 year old daughter, and someone tosses a rock/bottle at you, or, as you're crossing a pedestrian crossing, runs straight over you, you'll be sweet-as with that buddy?
Nah, didn't think so hey.
Fark.
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Paul
· 2 months ago
That used to happen alot when i lived in australia & abuse from cars and lots of bike hate. I feel bad for your culture.
MrT
· 2 months ago
There's a difference between taking risks and enjoying doing so... or getting run down by some dickhead eh? You want an extreme sport? Try commuting in Melbourne traffic every day!
Shane
· 2 months ago
Paul you sound like you have a lot of growing up to do. I have been riding for over 25 years and have been involved in several accidents some my fault some not but skin and bone is no match against a car etc so i always came out worst off. I still train hard and race as hard as my fitness will allow and i like to arrive home in one piece. I have a family and that comes with responsibilities which from your comments you either have no sense of your responsibilities or just no sense. I do not think it is too much to ask that drivers respect that inside the lycra is a human that want to get home in one piece.
TCW
· 2 months ago
To those posting on Jenny Craig site forum. Jenny are removing every reference to this. www.jennycraig.com.au/forum
Paul
· 2 months ago
@shane in particular- the growing up reference? how is that relevant? I've ridden bikes for 20+ yrs and commute daily. I've also commuted in Melbourne as well as other parts of Australia. I've also lived in three countries- and commuted in all of them. So now we have that out of the way....
You all need to just accept that Australian culture is to hate all things bikes- where the car rules. It won't ever change either and you can complain all you like and blame all you like and even go nuts and over react at every possible person who dares to make anti bike comments....it won't change.
So yeah, blame me, TV personalities, your colleagues, neighbors and the media- but the fact is that it is the way it is and that's that. It was like it BEFORE this show and it will be like it AFTER.
Stop your whinging.
Spock
· 2 months ago
Well Paul, I guess there are a lot of black Americans who are happy they didn't just accept hatred of their minority and just lie down and take it like you advocate. Some of us refuse to just accept hatred and violence because of our choice of transport FFS! So sorry they you gave up so easily. Luckily, you appear to be a minority of our minority.
Paul
· 2 months ago
The internet- where everyone is a f#$%ing expert.
After living in Australia for 8 yrs and trying to accept how f#$%ed up your bike culture is....i was glad to see the back of it.
But if you think attacking a porky redneck celeb will fix it all up- well go ahead.
Spock
· 2 months ago
Another person who has banned critical thinking from his life. You don't think that by getting her to apologize publicly, that it might make the next "celeb" think twice before spouting off and encouraging hate? Because having to apologize in public sucks.
We simply don't give up because it's a bit hard. I find this is a useful strategy in other aspects of life. You should try it.
Paul
· 2 months ago
You are obviously new to the internet spock? Don;t you know that everyone is right online?
Spock
· 2 months ago
Are you new to the concept of an argument? You know, where you make and respond to the points of the argument? I've made a few, and you haven't even tried. I mean, the civil rights movement was pretty successful in affecting change, don't you think? Not that there will ever be a black President of the US of course. Oh, wait.
I've been on the net a while, sport. I still telnet to port 25 and send email like a real man.
Paul
· 2 months ago
You are 100% correct.
Spock
· 2 months ago
You're no fun! :) Ta ta then.
Timbo
· 2 months ago
Wait, what, you don't live here anymore?! Phew, here I was thinking I was going to have to watch my back.
Rad times. Where are you now? I'll be sure to avoid.
Chur chur
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Paul
· 2 months ago
Phew! i was quite concerned that this thread had to much intelligent discussion. Glad to see it has turned Australian again!
brave
· 2 months ago
I would have thought the iPhone community would also be upset with Tom Gleeson's performance on GNW. Using your iPhone to capture WYMTM will take on a whole new meaning..
Apology Accepted
· 2 months ago
The Sydney morning Herald quoted Magda as saying "As a gesture of solidarity I have offered to participate in the National Ride to Work Day on October 14. Apologies again ... and, yes, I will be wearing lycra".
I'm hoping the apology is for her intention to wear lycra!
Les
· 2 months ago
I think the main problem here is idiots that give you all a bad name. Like the 6 fools taking up the northbound middle lane of the Princes Hwy at Engadine at 7:15am last Monday. It's speak hour you idiots!! If you want to ride in peak hour, why the middle lane? Why 2 abreast? Sydney traffic is bad enough without selfish cyclists taking up peak hour highway lanes!
Anonymous
· 2 months ago
There is a very good reason for 2 abreast, so the idiot drivers are not tempted to try to overtake in your lane (particularly those idiot drivers who drive in "speak hour"). Most drivers do not appreciate the fact that gusts of wind, divets in the road and other such hazards can cause the cyclist to veer suddenly and if a car passes too close this can lead to serious accidents.
Prof. GB Dorrington
· 2 months ago
I am sick of selfish motorists. I am sick of whinge, whinge, whinge about cyclists I am sick of bigoted revheads. I am sick of hearing cars killing people. Motorists are a sick lot of bloody whinging losers. With so much stacked against you, it's time to piss off and find some other form of transport!
StKildaLocal
· 2 months ago
I'm sick to death of lycra clad brighton types riding around like they pay rego, waiting for motorists to do something which encroaches on their space in someway so they can rant and rave and intimidate (particularly if the driver is a woman).
I'm pissed off that we are building bike lanes e.g. Fitzroy Street, thus removing needed parking spaces so that cyclists can ignore it and ride on the road anyway.
Beware guys.. theres a lot of people like me out there and your behavior is creating more and more...
All Comments
Perhaps Wendy Hargraves may take the opportunity to share with Magda&Julia.
I can see a future of Friday morning rides coming up for those who have repented their sins!
This is one of the comments I wrote... and I'd like to share with you all too.
My message to cyclists (in response to an insulting response):
If we want cyclists to be embraced by our community instead of being hunted targets (only cyclists know that it's not a 'joke' when we continue to get run off the road - often with vengeful attacks), we must be refrain from verbal backlashes (as tempting that it may be). Only when our community loves us that they will take care of us, look out for us, be aware of us, protect us and be proud of us. In order to have our community love us, we must not be boastful or insulting - making such retorts is a step in the wrong direction.
My message to non-cyclists:
If we want more Australians to become world cycling champions like Cadel Evans, then we need to support them and cheer them on - not belittle them and make 'jokes' about running them off the road.
Australia ought to be proud that we have a WORLD CHAMPION CYCLIST - that's right - the best cyclist in the world is AUSTRALIAN!!!! ... so let's celebrate and take care of our cyclists - let's celebrate their passion and let's be inspired to be more like them. Cadel didn't get to where he is by training in the gym.
Anyway, the reaction from people posting comments on there supporting Magda & Julia is that it was merely humour. There is a obvious disconnect from what was really being said and reality. Hey, I've got a very robust sense of humour & it helps when coping with daily life, but I think Julia's comments should be questioned as well. She's the one who actually took the segment elsewhere. Badly.
Is this history repeating itself?
Jokes people..
I can see how us cyclist can get angry, but it is a joke. Probably taken a bit far but hey, it's just comedy.
"If we want cyclists to be embraced by our community instead of being hunted targets (only cyclists know that it’s not a ‘joke’ when we continue to get run off the road – often with vengeful attacks), we must be refrain from verbal backlashes (as tempting that it may be). Only when our community loves us that they will take care of us, look out for us, be aware of us, protect us and be proud of us. In order to have our community love us, we must not be boastful or insulting – making such retorts is a step in the wrong direction."
If you look at other major centres of activity, (MCG, Bondai, etc) the councils and police have measures in place to deal with the large crowds - the mobs, and other associated logistical and behavioural problems which can occour. Whenever there is a large group of people, individuals loose their sense of responsibility for their actions, and find justification for what they do based on the fact that "everyone is doing it". At the G, this can result in traffic, noisy crowds, violence etc. Similar things at Bondai. These are massive centres in their respecive sub-cultures, and as such, the police and councils have realised that they need special measure in place to deal with the associated problems.
The councils and police around beach road have not recognised the area as the cycling mecca it has become. They have identified there is a cycling 'problem' but have done little to deal with it. Residents don't want to give up their parking, drivers don't want to give up their lanes, and cyclists don't want to be encumbered on their training rides. At this stalemate, an indipendent review really needs to step in to make a decision.
There is no denying that on Beach road, a 'mob' of cyclists can easily end up 4-5 abreast, running lights, because they feel empowered by being in a big bunch. I like to think that those groups are in the minority. I guarantee when an individual goes into another lane of traffic just so he/she can pass riders who are already 4 abreast, they know what they are doing is wrong, but as there are 'no reprocussions' for their actions, then why should they be slowed down. (very similar feeling to the frustration cars feel when they have to slow down for cyclists) There is definitely room for more legal reprocussions for inapropriate rides, as part of a larger solution to the problem of traffic flow.
Don't get me worng, I ride on Beach road as well and generally behave myself. I am occassionally guilty of fanging it when i really shouldn't, but am not so one sided as to think that behaviour might not be part of the problem. We SHOULD keep our vioces down at the cafe at 'stoopid oclock' in the morning, we SHOULD be warry of how much noise our cleats and hubs make in front of houses, and we certainly SHOULD obay traffic rulles. Only then can we take the moral high ground.
My heart goes out to all those cyclists, and pedestrians who have been injured or lost their lives on Beach road, and pray that someone with some power steps in for positive change. Untill then, I empathise for the Magdas in the world, but hope they think twice before they open their massive, foul, cake holes on national tv.
...wait for it....
Cyclists and motorised vehicles should NOT share beach road. In fact it should be shut down to motorists (local traffic only) on weekends between 6-11am.
In the interim, there should also be police motorcycles patrolling beach road during these hours to deter all those hooligans who enjoy hanging out car windows and shouting profanities at peaceful bunches. And YES, they should also book any cyclists who go through red lights and hit people... it seems only fair.
Magda, you are a funny woman and some may even find you likeable, nevertheless I suspect most women in your state would be more than glad to look at our chiselled glutes in lycra... perhaps it's the classic frustration of being able to see something but not touch? I had it too while looking at pictures of my bicycle while overseas... I understand.
I think a session on Kew Bvd and meeting Michael in person would prove adequate to reshape Magda's distorted views.
This is a classic case of bear shaving -> http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/08... (listen to Seth, he is a genius).
Advocating separating times for the road is not a meaningful or useful response to cases of
a) breaking the law (motorists and cyclists alike)
b) flagrant careless acts.
(I live on Beach Rd and I actually think it should be local only, ALL the time - turn it into a destination. Roundabouts, speed humps (cyclist friendly of course) - would stop all the summer rice rocket hoons racing Beach Rd and make it beautiful but best wait until I OWN property on Beach Rd ;) ).
Here's a simple step forward.
Riders - stop running reds. Nothing sh!ts me more as a cyclist, or motorist. You're setting a VERY bad example. This simple gesture is effective and genuine. Gives whinging motorists one less thing to whinge about as they sit at a red, idling, single occupant, angry at life, at the other single occupant car traffic (oh! the irony).
And as much fun as the NRR (and its ilk) is, running deep reds is poor form coz it's NOT a race.
I mean it's like rice rocket boy racers in souped up Lancers smashing pedestrians and into light poles. Pov.
The more of us getting out there, the more indiscretions become visible.
One cyclist's indiscretion is the equivalent of 50 in the eye of a motorist, comedian or bureaucrat.
From a safety stand point we should all start thinking about mounting cameras on our bikes, I'm sourcing now for summer (protection/insurance) fun.
Just the thought of pink and white lycra bums bouncing up and down in front of me - blech!
I didn't think Julia was funny with the door comment though - but how stupid are all you lycra bloggy people attributing the comment to Magda - and the atrocious spelling throughout this blog - does lycra rot your little brains
Stop riding across pedestrian crossings
Stop riding in the park
Stop doing that ridiculous balancing thing at traffic lights - everyone thinks you're a twit
I don't know how many times this sort of trash about rego plates on bikes, road rule transgression and the inconvenience cyclists pose to motorist just keeps on going around the mill.
How about chucking that in the bin Magda? Or maybe you're spending too much time playing with your i-phone in public.
If this misplaced attempt at humour is taken up by anyone driving a vehicle as permission to use their vehicle as a 2 tonne weapon against an unsuspecting, legal road using cyclist, then Magda has a case to answer for inciting violence. I sincerely hope this never happens.
Oh, and Magda: pssssst, if you want respect you've got to earn it
But here in Oz, there's already too much argy-bargy on the roads, so Magda is not inciting the unimaginable. She's ended up encouraging the violent that their behaviour is OK. Even that they can ramp it up.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/green-liv...
This isn't a cyclists/motorists problem. It's a people problem. And always will be.
IF -
1 Cyclists stopped breaking laws
2 Motorists stopped breaking laws
3 Motorists and humans weren't so selfish
4 Motorists had to commute every now and then to understand risks
5 People took personal responsibility
then we'd all be better off, much happier and respect each other
Problem is 1-5 ain't gonna happen because it's easier as a motorist to b!tch and moan about 'those bloody lycra loons' and just be miserable dangerous gits, and for cyclists to run lights and ride like crazy (yes, we do do it, admit it) than to Get Can Do.
Good on Magda for trying to lose weight - pity her mouth goes running off - she should spend her energy smashing weights and riding bikes. She should be an ambassador not a ...
Looking fwd to dropping an email to Jenny Craig now.
Am I allowed to make fat jokes? I'm a reformed fatty so I think I might be able to? Someone please advise.
tim
This reminds me of that pitch that was on the Gruen transfer (never aired) showing that even fat jokes aren't funny (which I disagree with, and only coz I am a reformed fatty).
Gruen: http://mumbrella.com.au/the-banned-gruen-transf...
[Sorry Wade if I am flaming - feel free to delete my comments - I've been hit twice - both seriously requiring hospitalisation - by cars on Beach Rd so I am VERY sensitive to this].
The behaviour of bunches is governed by the various state Road Acts.
Current residents Bayside and Kingston running a very ill informed anti stopping zone (which I agree is probably poor policy for residents) and also nasty anti cyclist propagandha effort via Murray Thompson state MLC for Sandy sending out horrible, horrible letters.
When I have the time I'll be writing back.
I'm glad the Herald Sun is to busy with Brendan Fevola to strart running "Lycra Hoons Attack our Magda"
*no offense to anyone involved in the campaign, my professional and personal opinions on that project are not one and the same
However, I draw the line at comments that incites violence, even if thinly veiled in humour. Jokes about bombs in suitcases are not welcomed around airports and as far as I am concerned jokes about 'dooring' etc are equally poor taste. Dare I say it bordering on terrorism.
In relation to Madga's comment's I think we ALL again need to find the humour in them, this political correctness volley we play is past its used by date. No right minded person would think she or her counterpart where advocating running people off the road, it was a joke!!
Please; everyone; PULL OUR HEADS IN!!
That's the whole _point_! It's not the right minded people I'm worried about! Don't you get it? This sort of hate speech is a dog whistle to the sorts of people who view cyclists as sub-human, and do not consider our lives worthy. The people who deliberately pass you too closely, who throw objects at you - these are the weak minded cretins who see these "jokes" as reinforcement to their whacked out views. After all, it was said by someone on the TV, it must be alright.
As for the lycra/shoes jokes, I don't care about those. Actually, it's pretty pathetic that so called professional comedians can't come up with something beyond the very very tired and recycled jokes about cycling sports gear.
Channel 10 sponsor Amy's Ride but let this go to air?
The Herald-Sun, long time sponsors of bike racing, continually run anti cycling articles.
I guess these morons don't realise the damage, on the ground, that they're doing.
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they then proceeded to the next intersection, turned around and drove back towards me. honestly i was shit scared the were going to throw another thing at me so i didn't really get to eyeball the number plate. just wondering if they had been watching GNW.
Kyle Sanderlands attacked a single individual (ok, he's done so on more than one occasion) and he gets taken off air and faces the "death" of his radio career? And he was PAID to be a shock jock (ie, its his job to stir ppl up)!
The very least Madga and Julie can do is publicly apologise for their comments. If we are lucky Madga's god awful TV show will be yanked! :(
Change has to start somewhere, vote with our fingers - dont watch the show, dont support the newspaper. If we condone the behaviour (lack of values, morals etc) then it will continue. Unfortunately watching a show in the future supports that behaviour.
James
"Dear Paul,
Thank you for your email.
In response to your comments re Magda's appearance on Good News Week, Jenny Craig understands that Magda’s recent remarks have caused frustration and anger but we would like to assure you, we do not have any control over any public remarks, whether said in jest or not, that take part outside of our advertising.
We would also like to reassure you that we don’t agree with violence or derogatory remarks against anybody and have passed on your feedback to Magda’s management.
Jenny Craig Customer Care"
I received an email regarding why my comment was taken down and according to the email, the comments are going to be forwarded to Magda's management.
I have just replied to the email (to Jenny Craig) asking that my email also be forwarded to Magda's management as I have offered to go on a bicycle ride with Magda (ala- the ride with Wendy), supplying her with a bike to ride, helmet, etc. I'm not out to prove how slow or unfit she is, but to show her how much fun cycling is and to show and talk to her about how dangerous her words were. Beach Rd on a Sat morning would be my preferred ride with Magda. If I can finish off with a coffee stop where she get's to meet Michael Forbes then all the better.
Fingers crossed something comes of this. But I'm not holding my breath...
I missed ProCaf post. Same response for me.
it's not Magda's fault there was a 2 for 1 doughnut special at Krispy Kreme's on the morning before the show. The Monday North Road Ride is a recovery one after all, the bunch would have been going a bit slower than usual.
Sorry Magda, pity the special wasn't on a Tues or Thurs. Those are the faster days.
Maybe Krispy Kremes to home deliver. Problem solved for everyone!
Like it or not we as cyclists are held to a higher standard of account in our road behaviour. It doesn’t matter whether we think this is fair/unfair/right/wrong/black or white, it simply IS.
A motorist can see you do anything wrong and tell the world about it, probably the person he is talking to on his mobile phone as he drives, and the cyclist will be the villain.
As such we simply need to accept this is the case and deal with it. If we are being required to live by a higher standard of road rules then let us do it, if we have to be pillars of road rule righteousness then let’s do it. Only that way can we slowly, slowly change to world...certainly by giving any reason for antagonism we won’t achieve any meaningful progress.
In the mean time we can also start to exert such pressure as we can on such issues as development of better road practices on Beach Rd. etc.
But next time you consider or are about to undertake any behaviour a motorist could get angry about realise you are hurting all cyclists as your fuel their contempt...
*Recent uni research shows these guys are the typical light runner, not the lycra clad regular.
Attacking these two ladies about their weight is a waste of time and just help prove the misnomer that cyclists are collectively loud mouthed aggressive lairs.
We should collectively point out how much good cycling does for the community for example: Around the bay in a Day raises how much money for charity?
Amy's Ride how much money does that raise for the community?
We as group should hold our heads high because by the very nature of our chosen sport we also contribute to on going health of our planet.
Do Magda and Julia contribute anything as significant to the community as we do? Well certainly not through their poor attempts at humor attacking a soft target like the cycling community, ha ha be original ladies and maybe we will pay attention.
We need to get over ourselves a little bit and see it for what it was tasteless and baseless and move on.
If we need to get on a soap box get on it for the right reasons and all the positives that cyclists bring to the community like the up coming Kilometers for Kids ride in NSW to support the John Mclean Foundation.
Travis
Wendy and Magda, get them out there and skinny them up and make them realise what it's all about.
Really and truly, "sick of cyclists riding to get fit."
I'm dripping in irony. Dripping!
I would just like to send you a message noting my disgust at Magda Szubanski's anti cyclist comment made on God News Week, 28th September 2009.
With an ever increasing population in Australia, increased environmental awareness (of which Magda herself is an ambassador) and an increasing number of cyclists using the road for commuting, recreation, training and fitness, it would be a good time for someone in Magda's position to point out that what she was saying in fact totally in jest. Sadly there are people out there who would see this kind of act (swerving or dooring a cyclist) as comical, and it does happen all to often.
Rather than apologising for what was said it would be a great opportunity for Magda to point out the benefits of regular cycling, and the need for both parties (cyclists and motorists) to follow the road rules and share the road as it is stated by law.
I think we can all agree that there are too many deaths and injuries on our roads, including motorists, cyclist, motorbikers and pedestrians. To in any way trivialise this, be it under the banner of humour or not, is an irresponsible act by anyone seen as a role model.
I believe that as one of her corporate partners, you as a company are in a position to strongly encourage and support Magda to make a formal retraction of her comments and purport the benefits that cycling can have in contributing to the healthy lifestyle that your company profits from.
Kind regards,
Conor
http://ten.com.au/media/0610_COMPLAINT_FORM_(we...
http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2008/11/how-to-l...
How about just getting on the bike and going for a frickin' ride instead?
If I can do anything to increase driver awareness and my safety on the road I'm gunna do it. Though you're probably way to rad to do the same.
Conor
This goes for a situation like Magda's all the way down to commenters getting personal with each other.
Lets put it more bluntly and say its all very well voicing your opinion and angst but stooping to personel attacks and not viewing it from both sides makes you views redundant.
Please lets keep our comments above the rubbish.
http://forums.ten.com.au/forums/thread.jspa?thr...
Seriously now, we can do better than cheap shots and weight-related jokes to argue our case.
Take a look at some of Bernardo Bellotto's city paintings from the late 1700's:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9...
Since WWII the advancement of the car saw these public spaces turned into roads for moving vehicles around. In the USA they even stopped building footpaths! Like Magda said, if you get out of your house to do some exercise, or any other reason, you inevitably end up on a 4 lane highway full of 2 tonne vehicles that are mostly moving just one occupant around. Sorry Magda, but it's me who is sick of being forced to get out of the way each time I am out enjoying the outdoors. What's wrong with all the other lanes? Too much effort to overtake safely? Late for your favorite TV show? Maybe should have started your journey a few minutes earlier?
Most European cities are starting to phase cars out; congestion fees, improving public transport, reducing lanes and increasing walk-ways and bike lanes.
I still own a car, its still the best way to see this country and get away on the weekend. I just think if everyone reduced their car use by half (or more) through utilising public transport, bikes and even their feet, this would be a much better place to live.
Just remember, we, cyclists, are the future.
be very careful how you say things to the paper and tv reporters.
from previous experience they will cut and misquote your comments if they want to.
you may be very PRO something and they can make you look very NEGATIVE.
anyway time will tell ... when we read in The Age "professional cyclist and part time movie maker , WW said "blah blah blah".
cheers
Peter
You're right, time will tell...
Unfortunately she probably isn't alone - who among us doesn't know some person that likes to bash cyclists (verbally i hope :0), we're easy targets?
I've been regularly cycling for about 18 months now on a roadie, and have had my share of horn-blasts, close calls, and one fall where a lady in a 4WD decided her car had more right to the BIKE LANE than I did. So, like most of us, I get this feeling that "motorists" are, in general, stupid and dangerous.
However, most of the people that I know in everyday life are pretty good people, and would never think to intentionally hurt someone. But most of these people are motorists. How do you reconcile these facts?
I truly believe that the majority of people (read drivers) genuinely think that we are not legally allowed on the road, and they are doing us a favour just by letting us be there.
Our perspective is that roads are public space, and we put them to their best use, travelling in an environmentally-friendly way, staying fit and active, getting involved in life. Drivers' perspectives are that roads are for cars, so get out of the way. It's pretty clear this is what Magda thinks from her comments. I mean, she even got upset about riders who stop at lights, but balance on the pedals! That will take me years to perfect...
I think Magda knew quite soon after she started her rant that what she was saying was stupid, but I'm glad to see she is being held to account. Unfortunately, she won't be the last person to slag off cyclists, and I doubt CT has time to take them all for Friday morning rides...
By the way, I normally commute in "civilian" shorts, but Magda's comments inspired me to don the full road kit for my ride Tuesday morning...
It was a joke and they have a fair point. You take up four lanes to ride around on main freeways so cn you see why this frustrate drivers. It is about time someone on national TV told you cyclists where you belong!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone told a certain celebrity on radio where he thinks she and people like her belong, as a joke, it was inappropriate, highly offensive to many and he was given a suspension from radio, and hung by the media. How is Magda & Julias "joke" any less offensive?
How about someone tells people that they have no right to public health services if they don't lead a healthy life, and take their health for granted. How about we tell fat people, anorexics, smokers, drinkers etc. that they do not belong in hospitals as their illnesses are self induced? We wouldn't do that, it's not fair, so don't try and tell us where cyclists belong, when the road rules clearly state that we have every right to the road. If you and many other motorists would give us some respect, we'd probably move further over to the left and let you pass all the time, but we sometimes don't, as we can't trust you to pass us safely.
I have never seen a cyclist, or a group of cyclists taking up FOUR LANES on any road, let alone one lane on a freeway, so stop making up rubbish.
I am so sorry you have the mindless mentality of a sheep and need to follow.
For starters most cyclists ride two fast for a bike path, I for one have been told by Police I am riding too fast for the designated bike path. He asked me to ride on the road for the safety of the bike path users. Please tell me where I should ride.
On the issue of saftey, a bike path lane is at best one bike wide, can you image the carnage which will happen when a bunch of 50 plus riders travelling at 35km/h come upon a cycist travelling slower or much worse in the other direction?
I am also sure we don't ride on Freeways, when was the last time you saw a bunch of riders on the West gate which was not part of an organised fund raising ride or a race?
So Natalie there is only one person who needs to get over it and that is YOU!!!!
Exclamation marks & shouting via caps lock prove nothing when arguing your point to a large group of annoyed people. Even if you don't agree with a different point of view, it's rather obvious that these remarks made on Monday night have hit a very raw nerve. Can you at the very least comprehend that?
This isn't just some cheap accusation. I've had rocks thrown at me, eggs, once a half-full 2-litre bottle of soft drink. The very day of Magda's rant, in fact, I got hit by some P-plate idiot (it usually is) throwing something, and I still have the bruise. There is a climate of hatred toward cyclists in this country that I'm quite certain has killed many people, and severely injured others. By injecting a further dose of popular contempt into the equation, Magda is increasing the odds that someone, somewhere out there on the roads, will do something stupid, and someone else will die. No amount of frustration on the part of any road user makes that the right thing to do.
Oh, sorry Nathalie - double post.
Magda's rant was not funny. If anything it was ironic as she is trying to lose weight whilst condemning cyclists who ride "for exercise."
Anyway, as with Wendy, there is as much jealousy as there is resentment in her commentary. Julia is no better, another 'comedian' who has had a long tern struggle with weight. Wendy, Julia, Magda - common thread?
Julia's comments might have been worse - but I think people are more offended by Magda, as some people saw her as an ambassador and inspiration for weight loss & healthy living, as well as environmentally conscious living - as an ambassador for Enviroweek.
Where as with Julia, she's just a terrible comedian.
But seriously, BV play the game fairly well, they've got Brumby to wack a fair bit of coin at cycling, despite having a very very pro road (anti bike/PT) lobby in this country.
Having said that, Wade plays this magnificently, and I certainly would support any group/effort he started via one of my companies.
I can even see a tux.
"Itsh Wallash, Wade Wallash".
"Moneypenny? Mishilles, engage."
t
It's not just an Australian problem either, check these links out ...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c...
and http://www.nzherald.co.nz/road-accidents/news/a...
Some lady plowed into a massive group of cyclists on Tamaki Drive in Auckland ( a road around the harbour in some ways similar to beach road) One critical in intensive care and absolute carnage.
"The following is a statement from Magda Szubanski:
"I am so sorry that the skit on bikers has caused offence. There are so many safety issues surrounding cyclists. Certainly motorists need to become much more aware and considerate of cyclists on the road. My belief is that responsible cycling is to use bike paths where possible and if it's not possible, to be extra careful on the roads.
We all make mistakes and the point is that hopefully we learn from them. Clearly my joke was stupid and insensitive but perhaps it has brought to light that there are frustrations amongst cyclists and motorists. Hopefully some good will come of this and it will help promote useful dialogue between the two groups where some of these frustrations can be worked through in a productive way.
I am a bike rider from way back and in fact have been planning to buy a new bike. As a gesture of solidarity I have offered to participate in the National Ride to Work Day on 14th October. Apologies again. And, yes, I will be wearing lycra." ends Magda Szubanski"
To Benjoman, other Ten workers and Magda (if she actually looks at this)
Whilst I appreciate the comments that have been made, the apology from Magda and her offering to ride to work on the national ride to work day, I simply dont buy it.
I dont buy it for the following reasons:
1. Ten chose to air, after screening, approving and editing the material, knowing that this would cause inflamation in the community and strengthen the divide between people who share the road, an already sensitive issue with many injured each year. This is the implication of the skit, no ifs or buts, no comedy, no skit excuses etc.
2. It is my opinion that the GNW producers, Paul and Ten chose to do this for the sensational and polarising reactions it would receive thus boosting ratings at the obvious potential expense of the harm of others
3. The above group also chose to do this knowing that they cannot be responsible for peoples actions who they cannot control but can significantly infulence; especially those who may not be able to fully interpret the jovial nature of the skit, even if it is considered a comedy.
The above are my opinions of the situation, there may be other elements and some of the above could be challenged by Ten. I think that in the spirit of remediation and true apology it would be appropriate for the Ten Network to do one (or more) of the following:
1. Donate Prime Time advertising slots ($$) to road safety awareness
2. Have a segment on another, more appropriate high rating show that can have a positive impact on the community
3. Financially support (through advertising $$) cycling campaigns such as the Amy Gillet foundation and others that aim to reduce cycling accidents and road awareness.
I suggest that the Ten Network, focused primarily on the executives including Grant Blackley, consider the above with a view to act; to also seriously consider if they think that this is a good reflection of their brand in the marketplace. You should reflect on a way in which the Ten Network could make a positive impact on the community.
Regards,
James
"My belief is that responsible cycling is to use bike paths where possible and if it’s not possible, to be extra careful on the roads."
Basically contempt for any of cyclists that dare to use roads when in her mind it's obvious we should not be on the road. I doubt she even knows cyclist have a legal right to travel two abreast on the road.
I will concede it's not all one way traffic though. Rides like hell ride, and even some of that footage of the NRR don't do us any favours. It's up to us to stamp that rubbish out and leave the racing for the race course.
See what she's doing for Enviroweek^
http://www.bicyclinglife.com/EffectiveAdvocacy/...
It only takes one nutter to see the entire audience cheering at the idea of taking out cyclists with their door for this sort of crap to go horribly wrong. If you do actually ride as much as you say, you have somehow not encountered these people?
There's a reason why it's illegal to incite violence (even as a "joke") against many marginalized groups in our community. It's because bigoted wingnuts see it as a license to act our their bigoted fantasies. However for some reason, our particular minority is somehow fair game? I hope you, or someone you love isn't on the receiving end of one of these cretins with a license and a 4WD!
Yes- this is below the belt and yes this type of humor is a bit off- but the lack of respect and hate towards cyclists goes far deeper than a comedy sketch downunder......much deeper.
So she has apologized? The media will pickup on it soon and it will pass. But sadly, the haters will still be there. I feel sorry for Australia's lack of culture and acceptance of anything other than the car.
I'm much happier now in New Zealand ;)
The honerable Mr Wallace came across very smooth- He'll likely be at the SKCC crtis this Sunday taking autographs :-)
I think this just proves that ignorance is a bigger problem for us cyclists that mallace (in most cases). We need to take Wade's good lead and encourage open dialogue and education. Maybe if Magda truly is sorry we could try and plant her with some facts for her ride to work day. As some pro cycling messages will always be better reveived by non cyclists if they are said by non cyclists..
And if that doesn't work- lets follow Robbie McEwans advice :-)
a) we're not legally entitled to the road
b) bike paths are safe (hmmm not for my 40km/h commute)
c) we don't pay road tax (I know I pay tax through my petrol use)
Are worrying and well entrenched in non-cycling drivers.
I know groups like AGF etc aim to cut through and realign perceptions, but to my mind, they're critically failing.
What is needed is a sh!tload of cash and a VERY SMART marketing campaign (Seth Godinesque logo, website etc) where the facts are made clear to drivers via print media, TV etc.
The govt should help fund it. I'd put money in.
The name should be assertive but not passive aggressive.
Personal stories of road carnage where cyclists end up hurt would cut through.
Much like TACs ads.
cheers,
Tim Marsh
Lets start a Guerilla Campaign!!!! Be a bit of fun, what do you think?
Twoeee
While I trust that my fiance does the right thing while riding (most of the time :P) I am still petrified of receiving a phone call from the police or the hospital saying he's been injured while riding.
The issue with Magda's comments is that she doesn't take into account that these cyclists are people, who have people at home who love them and want to see them come home every night safely. It's no different for the people who drive to work or use public transport - their families expect that they will come home safely...
If you all want to be so super safe and never get injured- take up knitting.
Look at how our wonderful fellow Australians laughed and abused riders who were taking out by that idiot who deliberately braked and took down the bunch. Charming that you take their side. Do you really ride a bike on the road?
Next time you're walking on a footpatch with say, you 4 year old daughter, and someone tosses a rock/bottle at you, or, as you're crossing a pedestrian crossing, runs straight over you, you'll be sweet-as with that buddy?
Nah, didn't think so hey.
Fark.
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You all need to just accept that Australian culture is to hate all things bikes- where the car rules. It won't ever change either and you can complain all you like and blame all you like and even go nuts and over react at every possible person who dares to make anti bike comments....it won't change.
So yeah, blame me, TV personalities, your colleagues, neighbors and the media- but the fact is that it is the way it is and that's that. It was like it BEFORE this show and it will be like it AFTER.
Stop your whinging.
After living in Australia for 8 yrs and trying to accept how f#$%ed up your bike culture is....i was glad to see the back of it.
But if you think attacking a porky redneck celeb will fix it all up- well go ahead.
We simply don't give up because it's a bit hard. I find this is a useful strategy in other aspects of life. You should try it.
I've been on the net a while, sport. I still telnet to port 25 and send email like a real man.
Phew, here I was thinking I was going to have to watch my back.
Rad times. Where are you now? I'll be sure to avoid.
Chur chur
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Using your iPhone to capture WYMTM will take on a whole new meaning..
I'm hoping the apology is for her intention to wear lycra!
I am sick of whinge, whinge, whinge about cyclists
I am sick of bigoted revheads.
I am sick of hearing cars killing people.
Motorists are a sick lot of bloody whinging losers.
With so much stacked against you, it's time to piss off and find some other form of transport!
I'm pissed off that we are building bike lanes e.g. Fitzroy Street, thus removing needed parking spaces so that cyclists can ignore it and ride on the road anyway.
Beware guys.. theres a lot of people like me out there and your behavior is creating more and more...